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Fucking error 404 (or today's equiv).

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At risk of flogging a dead horse, and despite having paid for 6 months game time, I probably won't be logging in til Square Enix fix their shit. I guess they win though because they have my money already.

As well as the issue that I mentioned in the economy thread, I have to add that the market is totally useless for level 50 players. Everything (and I mean everything) that is tradeable is for leveling with. When you hit 50 and start getting better gear, there is nothing at all which is a comparable alternative to the high end gear from raids. This presents a problem for small FC players. If your gear is not satisfactory to the elitists, no one tends to accept you for raid content. The problem is that in order to do the content, you need the gear from those raids. It's a classic catch-22 scenario, and because there isnt tier .5 craftables, there is no way to catch up. I have to doubt whether SE know how sustainable MMORPGs (and their playing demographics) really work.

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No not really. I already scythe through content due to lengthy experience with playing MMORPGs and knowing how to quest efficiently. I just want some kind of rewarding experience, because MMORPGs and their players can be ruthless, and will close the door on you if you aren't up to their standards.

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I consistently have upwards of 30k gil, as I spend a little time farming shards ever now and then. Sometime I do it for an hour, get me 700+ like I did last week, sell them for 45g each in bundles of 30. You do the maths there. So I'm sorry, but I still can't understand how the economy is borked.

Also, they did alright with FFXI, didn't they?

How many classes have you levelled so far?

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Didn't realise this was a race to level as many classes as possible to be fair. The main story is all that matters in this game, and since you can only do that once, secondary classes on the same character means shit. Do all the quests, lose half your earning potential. What happens when everyone reaches 50? Suddenly there is no market to sell items to, because all the gear you can sell is for leveling with. So what will you do when the marketplace no longer works? What will you do?

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>implying that theres only one set of level 50 equipment
>implying that people won't have multiple classes to get equipment for
>implying there won't be new content due, say, ooh, early December
>implying that there will ever be no demand for potions, foods, meals, etc
>implying people aren't crafting equipment for the sole purpose of converting to materia
>implying Squeenix have no idea how to keep an MMO going for, ooh, say 11 years plus
>implying I was talking about racing to max everything
>implying I wasn't suggesting maybe trying new shit out for more than 8 levels
>implying there aren't, even now, maxed players grinding for better loot

You played WOW for six years or summink, yes? Never beaten the story?

Also, Binding Coils. Which one you got to?

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I'll forgive you for not knowing what you are talking about. Since you are still questing, you are still earning. And since this is your first MMO, you probably have never encountered games which have died due to currency earning issues. I'll forgive you for that.

What you don't seem to realise, is that just because you can earn Gil on the marketplace, it doesn't mean that there isn't a problem earning Gil in this game. That Gil you earn on the marketplace is not created, it's transferred. Plus the marketplace takes a cut, so some of that Gil is destroyed in the process, never to re-enter the economy. So when you finally finish every quest, there simply isn't any more Gil entering the economy, at all. And every quest people complete, takes the game closer to the point where the market will crash.

Until the new daily quests are introduced, there will be nothing there to mitigate this. I'm not going to waste my time crafting for 10 hours and not playing end-game content, because that shit is just too expensive in time, and Gil. If I'm not going to do that content at all, then I'm better off for my time just not playing at all.

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Wow.

Okay.

1. No need to be such a magnanimous dick about the whole thing. Just because you played more MMOs than I have, doesn't make you right.

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I'm not going to waste my time crafting for 10 hours and not playing end-game content, because that shit is just too expensive in time, and Gil.

There's your problem. If you're not going to put the time and effort into getting the components and then crafting shit (some stuff sells to vendors for crazy money) then really, you're creating the problem for yourself here. A lot of levequests actually give you mad Gil rewards as well as refunding some components, making crafting easier. Level a few DoH or DoL up and they will pay the way for your Paladin post-game.

But what do I know? I only make upwards of 20k a night for an hour's fannying about while I'm having my tea (or 10k selling to vendors). What a stupid noob I am, eh?

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No need for name calling dude.

No Carl, you do not realise that you are not creating Gil. You are receiving a transfer in payment for an item. So imagine a time when everyone currently logged in has completed all the quests. Where is their Gil coming from to pay for your wares? The total pool of Gil will be constantly shrinking, and eventually the majority of it will be held by the lucky few who profited early. And they will have no need to buy anything off each other any way.

Nothing dickish about it Carl. It's down to experience, which is where the relevance of my MMO playing history comes from. I've seen it happen in other games, and it will happen here too unless SE address it properly. You haven't seen it happen, so you have no experience in such matters. Maganimous? Perhaps, but dickish? No. Accurate? Yes.

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Are you seriously saying that the vendors - the NPCs in towns and cities, not the marketplace - have limited funds with which to buy your shit?

I only sell shards via the marketplace. Everything else via vendors, and if I'm doing a stint of gathering or crafting, in any hour, I can easily make a few grand from the vendors.

Hell, if you get clever, some folk sell stuff on the marketplace for like 1gil, whereas vendors buy them for 3+gil. Do enough research, buy low, sell high (to vendors, again), and bam, profit.

Again, please listen when I say that I sell to vendors more than I do via the market, and I've got.more gil.than I know what to do with. Hell, I've been buying fucking minions for 10k or more, purely because I'm minted.

But thats because I'm putting the time into making it. You seem fixated on the "if I can't make a fortune questing then the economy is fucked", whereas I'm fixated on the "I need gil, so I'll earn it".

Also, just to be clear again, shards via market, everything else via NPC vendors who have unlimited gil, profit.

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Why would I sell shit to vendors when they over silly amounts like 30 gil for this, 3 gil for that? That's like selling gold bullion to randoms on the street for a fiver. If you're producing those yourself, you'd certainly want more than that because of the time and effort that goes into it. Selling to vendors in this game is extremely inefficient.

Besides. Not everyone is into crafting. It's the same as some people don't do PvP. Or some folk aren't into raiding. And this game doesn't accommodate for everyone. You can't imply that anyone ought to do stuff they don't enjoy.

Look at it this way. In the real world, merchants buy and sell stuff to make a living. Office workers sit at a desk and earn their money. Soldiers earn their money through training, excercises, and combat. So what If combat is my chosen 'job' in FFXIV? Shouldn't I be able to earn my keep that way? If I can't do that, then I won't play the game. It's as simple as that.

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An item sells for 33gil.
It takes less than a minute to make 10 of them.
Thats 330gil a minute.
In 10 minutes, I can make over 100 items.
Thats 3300gil in 10 minutes.

Using auto-craft.

I can make over 3000gil by hitting one button, then going for a shit.

I genuinely, honestly, seriously, cannot see your point.

But I'm done arguing. You can see the problem but can't accept the solution. I can see the problem, but I embrace the solution. You're stuck doing nowt. I'm still experiencing the game.

I might be a lamer noob who doesn't know how to mummorperger, but which one of us is getting value for their money?

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Mined for an hour.

Sold my shards on the market.

20,450 gil profit.

Crafted a whole bunch of level 20-odd stuff using auto-craft while I ate my tea.

Sold what I made to a random vendor in Ul'Dah.

12,800 gil profit.

Completed Brayflox again, got all but one of the loot items.

Gave them to the Flames Quartermaster dude.

600+ seals.

Ax - you up for some hardcore, crazy-ass, demon-speed crafting this weekend? We gon' make mad billz and score crazy hunniz, dawg. Bitches all up in our shiznit, word.

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