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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:33 am 
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You can bring us technology, and we'll teach your sack of shites to play football. Sound fair? :P

We could do the same to you if you want. ;)


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:59 pm 
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I don't know Blokey, do you really want new members who would be offended by such trivial things on these boards? Cause you know, even if you did mod all our crap and those types of people joined sooner or later they'd get offended and leave anyways.

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I don't know Blokey, do you really want new members who would be offended by such trivial things on these boards? Cause you know, even if you did mod all our crap and those types of people joined sooner or later they'd get offended and leave anyways.

Racism, trivial?

What are you, the Grand fucking Dragon of California or something?

Yes, I want people here who will be offended by racism, because being racist is offensive and ignorant, and I want neither here.

You know what I find funny about this whole thing?

1. You didn't think it was okay to remove the racist picture/comment that was posted.
2. When you discovered the general consensus was that the removal was correct, you went on a reporting spree asking for things to be removed.
3. Now, you're saying we don't want people who are offended by things here cos they'll leave.

Now, I've always had a lot of respect for you, but recently I'm finding myself asking "just how old is Jeff, I mean, really?".

You're the first one to hit the report button when someone says something you don't agree with, yet when someone doesn't agree with you, you throw all your toys out of the pram in disgust.

Seriously, man. Its not always about you.

Although I will indulge you in one of your requests.

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I agree with Terra. Read the definition of racism. Making a statement about color does not qualify.

Alright. Lets have a look.

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The very nice people at Dictionary.com wrote:
RACISM - noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

Hmmm. Maybe you're right. I mean, you DID say to check the dictionary definition of the word "racism", and there's nothing there ab-
The very nice people at Dictionary.com wrote:
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


OH FUCKING SNAP!

The general feel I get from this thread is that edgy humour is fine, provided it doesn't cross boundaries. JZ's post crossed it, and it was removed. I've done it in the past, crossed the line and then later removed it after a complaint. Done it several times in fact, mainly on the posts that YOU YOURSELF complained about, Fanboy.

Now what say you just go back and wash your robes ready for your next lynching, and we'll all just get the fuck on with things, eh?

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This thread keeps me entertained. :mrgreen:

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But many(most, perhaps even) people would agree that JZ's post was showing no malice or discrimination against people of a different race. I have never before, in all of my dozen-or-so years of living in the most racist, black-hating, backwards-ass state in America, heard "chocolate" used as an insult, tried to be used as an insult, used in any name-calling that wasn't obviously joking, nor seen anyone get offended by it, and that includes the extremist black people who are still pissed at all white people, because "we" enslaved "them."
(granted, I have never seen people quite that extremist be referred to as chocolate, but I've seen pretty much everything short of that.)

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But we all agree we hate the French right?

More seriously, the real issue here is the distinction between negative stereotypes and racism. While perpetuation of a negative stereotype could be perceived as racist once it is in the social consciousness it becomes very hard to separate it from a races identity.

This isn't a problem with positive stereotypes, which is essentially equally racist, because people do not mind the association.

The problem comes with intent when we use these stereotypes, and ignorance while not muting a misused word to the people it hurts, is a defense against racism in a world where political correctness alters what is expectable daily. My dad for example will use any number of 'hate' terms, but does not have a single bone in his body that holds any hatred or intolerance for any of them.

Now on a public board where intent cannot be seen (and this goes back to my early pub point) you have to be careful of who can read/overhear your conversation. Maybe one person does not see the hurt/offense in what is said, but if others do then it should be taken down and no fuss should be made.

Back to the pub, you make a joke and the 7 foot tall muscle bound asian guy next to you stands up taking offense at it. You say, sorry I didn't mean it like that I just thought it was a funny play on a stereotype. Dude says, okay thats cool but I found it offensive please don't do it again, and sits down. You consider yourself damn lucky, you do not start telling the next guy over the same joke.

That is what posting online is because the joke stays up. It is not fleeting, it is permanent unless you or a mod says, actually this may offend, we appreciate that, and take it down to stop it offending someone in the future. I does not mean the person who posted it is racist, it means out of respect for a peoples who could take offense, with out knowing us or the context, we are going to remove these words.


I hope that all makes sense, I am very tired.

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Something about Firefly? Hang on, thats definitely something about Chobot. No more ugly something or other jesus fuck what is this.
I KNOW I AM DOING MYSELF OUT OF A JOB MAYBE, AND THATS "MAYBE" AS IN "I THINK THATS WHAT WAS WRITTEN".
YES I could right (but probably meant write) better if you convented, hang on thats not even a real word, what the shitting fuck, screw this I'm off for a kebab and then bed.

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i want to put something here about racism buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut i'm very drunk so what ever i may put would get removed by a mod even though all the mods here are a bunch of assshats :twisted: sorry :oops: well where most of the popel who come to this site live has a large "ethic minority" population so we need be careful in case we might offend them. even though they might offend us but the white population cannot say anything back because we might be called racist ourselves because in the u,k racism only truly works one way. i know that maybe a controversial oppion but when You live in an area where "etnics minorities" out weigh "British" people you get treat like shit by housing and other services

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I think you mean 'ethic minorities outweigh white Anglo-Saxons' as I suspect many of the 'minorities' are British born.

I can understand the frustration you feel there, there is no justice in the concept white people in white countries must simply endure racism that is aimed at them. I think on these boards though racism against any race shouldn't be tolerated.

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Something about Firefly? Hang on, thats definitely something about Chobot. No more ugly something or other jesus fuck what is this.
I KNOW I AM DOING MYSELF OUT OF A JOB MAYBE, AND THATS "MAYBE" AS IN "I THINK THATS WHAT WAS WRITTEN".
YES I could right (but probably meant write) better if you convented, hang on thats not even a real word, what the shitting fuck, screw this I'm off for a kebab and then bed.

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That's not just England, bro, that's everywhere. Racism against white people simply does not exist, according to many(most, perhaps even).

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That's not just England, bro, that's everywhere. Racism against white people simply does not exist, according to many(most, perhaps even).


Welcome to Asia, though good luck getting anyone in government to do anything about it. I was mealy using the UK as an example I know.

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Something about Firefly? Hang on, thats definitely something about Chobot. No more ugly something or other jesus fuck what is this.
I KNOW I AM DOING MYSELF OUT OF A JOB MAYBE, AND THATS "MAYBE" AS IN "I THINK THATS WHAT WAS WRITTEN".
YES I could right (but probably meant write) better if you convented, hang on thats not even a real word, what the shitting fuck, screw this I'm off for a kebab and then bed.

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Terradude wrote:
That's not just England, bro, that's everywhere. Racism against white people simply does not exist, according to many(most, perhaps even).


I fucking hear that. I tried to apply to a Mexican restaurant, and the hostess said they needed the manager 'cause only he knew where the application forms were. I waited there for an hour, and the entire time, there were five or six employees sitting in a booth in my line of sight, speaking in Spanish and shooting glances at me. Two or three times, one of them would come up to the host's station, and I'd ask them for some help, and they'd just get all evasive and bullshit me some more. I have never felt more insulted in my life. I realize that it's an ethnic restaurant, but you can't refuse a request for a fucking form.

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That is what posting online is because the joke stays up. It is not fleeting, it is permanent unless you or a mod says, actually this may offend, we appreciate that, and take it down to stop it offending someone in the future. It does not mean the person who posted it is racist, it means out of respect for a peoples who could take offense, with out knowing us or the context, we are going to remove these words.

If this guy ever ran for PM/Prez, I'd vote. :yes:

Specifically the bolded part, this is I guess the point I've been trying to get across, but once again Doof gets there easier and quicker.

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Blokeymon wrote:
once again Doof gets there easier and quicker.


Right, so, to avoid confusion, I will let it be known right now that, from now on, I am referring to Dofuss as "The Doof" at all times.

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Blokeymon wrote:
once again Doof gets there easier and quicker.


Right, so, to avoid confusion, I will let it be known right now that, from now on, I am referring to Dofuss as "The Doof" at all times.

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HOLY JEBUS!

I make a joke, Post it in a spoiler tag when people wanted to know, go away, and this happens!?

I should make jokes more oftenYou bastards make me sick.

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