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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:47 pm 
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So if you're a Catholic and someone takes a picture of the Pope and shoops him fucking a choirboy, you might be offended. This is, after all, a photo of your most revered and holiest person living. Doesn't change the fact that boyrape is rife in Catholicism, and this picture is simply making that statement. But anyways, you might be offended. But then again, you might wake up and think "Y'know what, this shit is wrong. Bumming kids is a bad thing and should not be tolerated. Fuck it, Imma become a Taoist, who are basically like those future guys from Bill And Ted who simply want to "be excellent to each other". Yeah, thats what I wanna do!" and bam, religion changed.


Now hang on, I take serious issue with this. Just because a priest messes with a little boy doesn't mean there's something wrong with the belief system. It means there's something wrong with the priest.

And child molestation isn't rampant in Catholicism, either. Do you know why a priest molesting a child shows up all over the news? Because it's unusual. You don't hear about regular people molesting children, do you? That's because, compared to incidents involving priests, it's relatively commonplace. The vast majority of priests, and all religious authority figures for that matter, are good and decent people following a good and decent belief system. You shouldn't demonize Islam because of nuts like Osama bin Laden, you shouldn't demonize evangelical Christians because of con-artist televangelists, and you shouldn't demonize Catholicism because of a few pedophiles.

Mocking a belief or an ideal may be fine, but mocking said belief/ideal based on the actions of a few bad eggs is just ignorant.

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So if you're a Catholic and someone takes a picture of the Pope and shoops him fucking a choirboy, you might be offended. This is, after all, a photo of your most revered and holiest person living. Doesn't change the fact that boyrape is rife in Catholicism, and this picture is simply making that statement. But anyways, you might be offended. But then again, you might wake up and think "Y'know what, this shit is wrong. Bumming kids is a bad thing and should not be tolerated. Fuck it, Imma become a Taoist, who are basically like those future guys from Bill And Ted who simply want to "be excellent to each other". Yeah, thats what I wanna do!" and bam, religion changed.


Now hang on, I take serious issue with this. Just because a priest messes with a little boy doesn't mean there's something wrong with the belief system. It means there's something wrong with the priest.

And child molestation isn't rampant in Catholicism, either. Do you know why a priest molesting a child shows up all over the news? Because it's unusual. You don't hear about regular people molesting children, do you? That's because, compared to incidents involving priests, it's relatively commonplace. The vast majority of priests, and all religious authority figures for that matter, are good and decent people following a good and decent belief system. You shouldn't demonize Islam because of nuts like Osama bin Laden, you shouldn't demonize evangelical Christians because of con-artist televangelists, and you shouldn't demonize Catholicism because of a few pedophiles.

Mocking a belief or an ideal may be fine, but mocking said belief/ideal based on the actions of a few bad eggs is just ignorant.


You telling me you've never taken a small percentage of a much larger thing, and used it to make a joke?

Honestly?

Honestly?

Or is this one of those "Its alright til it encroaches on my patch" kind of things?

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Oi now, temper. Smokey agreed that the joke should have been removed, and I can say with relative certainty that Smokey's never been oppressed based on his skin color.

I believe he was replying to the one specific "Doesn't change the fact that boyrape is rife in Catholicism" comment, which certainly did not seem like a joke if it was.

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No, its not a joke. Its true, though. More so in Catholicism than any other religion.

South Park made that one episode in season 4, where Priest Maxi tried to get the law changed to say that sex with boys was not okay. Never saw anyone here complain about that.

In fact, I very rarely see anyone kick up a fuss about things like this until someone brings it to their doorstep.

Not having a go at Smokey, but that shit happens. What I was trying to do though was to make an example. I could have said something about the Pope being a Nazi, after the stint in the Nazi Youth as a child. I could have said many different things about him. Thats just the most obvious choice.

But there isn't a single person here who hasn't taken a small part of a larger picture and used it to mock either a belief or a people. I say "people", because we always bitch about you backwards, cousin-fucking hillbillies, and you're always on about us tea-drinking, bad-mouth-hygeine-having crumpet addicts, but we take the whole of each nation's people regardless of colour and mock the idea of what Britain and America is, and not the people themselves.

Thats the difference I'm trying to get across here.

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omg, this whole thread...Really?....REALLY?!?!?!?!




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I see no difference in mocking americans or mocking black people. Can I help the fact that I was born in America?

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Blokeymon wrote:
No, its not a joke. Its true, though. More so in Catholicism than any other religion.

South Park made that one episode in season 4, where Priest Maxi tried to get the law changed to say that sex with boys was not okay. Never saw anyone here complain about that.

In fact, I very rarely see anyone kick up a fuss about things like this until someone brings it to their doorstep.

Not having a go at Smokey, but that shit happens. What I was trying to do though was to make an example. I could have said something about the Pope being a Nazi, after the stint in the Nazi Youth as a child. I could have said many different things about him. Thats just the most obvious choice.

But there isn't a single person here who hasn't taken a small part of a larger picture and used it to mock either a belief or a people. I say "people", because we always bitch about you backwards, cousin-fucking hillbillies, and you're always on about us tea-drinking, bad-mouth-hygeine-having crumpet addicts, but we take the whole of each nation's people regardless of colour and mock the idea of what Britain and America is, and not the people themselves.

Thats the difference I'm trying to get across here.


I call shenanigans on that first line. MAJOR shenanigans. There is no way you could possibly make that statement in all good faith, because I can pretty much guarantee that you have not extensively researched reports of pedophilia in the clergy of other religions.

I have no problem with poking fun at something when the joke is based in fact, like hillbilly cousin-fuckers or Limeys with horrible teeth or smelly French people. When you start going into unfounded territory, though, that bothers me, especially since it regards the oldest branch of my faith. And yeah, I am kicking up a fuss 'cause this is kinda close to home, but I'd do the same thing with any other religion, or anything else, if I knew that it was being wrongly maligned.

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And yeah, I am kicking up a fuss 'cause this is kinda close to home, but I'd do the same thing with any other religion, or anything else, if I knew that it was being wrongly maligned.

Like people saying all Americans are cousin-fucking inbred hillbillies, or that all Brits had bad teeth and a penchant for tea and crumpets?

Whole lotta double standard up in this thread.

And Erbs? I totally fucking agree.

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whole lotta double standard modding jz's post, wouldn't you say?

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Blokeymon wrote:
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And yeah, I am kicking up a fuss 'cause this is kinda close to home, but I'd do the same thing with any other religion, or anything else, if I knew that it was being wrongly maligned.

Like people saying all Americans are cousin-fucking inbred hillbillies, or that all Brits had bad teeth and a penchant for tea and crumpets?

Whole lotta double standard up in this thread.

And Erbs? I totally fucking agree.


You have to admit that there's a lot more basis for the hillbilly/rotted teeth stereotypes than there is for the pedophile priest. The former's documented in history for centuries. The latter has not.

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*Goes into thread*

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whole lotta double standard modding jz's post, wouldn't you say?

Wat?

Who modded JZs post?

What you on about this time?

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I think he means how I removed his comment. The thing that kicked this off.

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Ah, right. In that case, no. Not double standards. Racism is wrong. End of.

Y'know, I noticed something earlier.

Terra started this to, I think, see how far people go with humour, to maybe gauge reactions or maybe better understand people's points of view.

Smokey got defensive because he's passionate about his beliefs, but I've noticed, he's only defensive when the aggressor means to be aggressive, and not humourous. I reckon I could say I was doing his mom while giving the Pope a reacharound and he'd giggle and say something like "NO U". But if I was being deadly serious, I reckon I'd be a dead man walking.

Fanboy, well, you just seem to not like it when people disagree with you, and then throw a kiddystrop when you can't get your own way. Reporting posts last night, you reported 5 in total. 2 of which were borderline offensive, but as I was being a man of my word, they went. The other two were just clutching at straws to try and make a point, which you did, but the point you made wasn't "This place is full of offense that gets ignored". The point you made was "waah waah, while I don't find racist pictures to be a problem most of the time, if its gonna get me attention, I'll change my tune".

I've also noticed that, while you'll happily give JZ crap, if he retaliates, you're usually the only one who hits the report button.

Doesn't exactly show you in a good light, does it?

I'll leave this thread open, against my better judgement I'm sure. If it gets out of hand, then I want it closing and moving to the trash. But I'm a fair man, and I'll leave this open for a response.

Also - please, just cos I'm admin, don't think I'm above the law. If you think I'm either not doing my job right, or you think I'm breaking the rules, call me on it. As Smitty found out last Easter, I'll happily hold my hands up and admit when I'm wrong.

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...Is that last bit a joke, or did you actually piss Smitty off?

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