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...Is that last bit a joke, or did you actually piss Smitty off?

I guess you don't remember "Happy dead Jew nailed to a tree day" last Easter?

Yeah, didn't go down too well... unsurprisingly.

Seemed funny at the time... then Smitty got upset, understandably. I apologised, and removed the thread.

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Blokeymon wrote:
Terradude wrote:
...Is that last bit a joke, or did you actually piss Smitty off?

I guess you don't remember "Happy dead Jew nailed to a tree day" last Easter?

Yeah, didn't go down too well... unsurprisingly.

Seemed funny at the time... then Smitty got upset, understandably. I apologised, and removed the thread.

True story.

I remember! :D

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I remember trying it at Playfire and pissing off Guitar over there. Many lulz were had. :D

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I don't think we can start separating religion and race as easily as we none religious time may like to believe.

I chose to avoid all such things were possible on public forums. With my friends I will mock race/religion/anything, with friend its fair game (bare in mind I am in a minority in my place of residence), but sometimes I go to far or make a slip and apologize accordingly - with friends however they understand I am not and it was just a slip - this is not true with strangers (such as calling missed race and sex groups of foreigners 'white guys' using myself as the archetype).

Ultimately words can be funny and/or offensive in a single move. If anyone finds them offensive on a public forum they should not be posted and we should all be careful about the jokes we make. In real life think if you would yell the joke out in pub filled with people who are the butt of said joke (instead of at home with friends), if you wouldnt then you shouldnt post.

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Ultimately words can be funny and/or offensive in a single move. If anyone finds them offensive on a public forum they should not be posted and we should all be careful about the jokes we make. In real life think if you would yell the joke out in pub filled with people who are the butt of said joke (instead of at home with friends), if you wouldnt then you shouldnt post.

I honestly don't think any more needs be said than this. And I for one will start thinking about what I say from now on. :clap:

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I would be prouder if I had proof read that last sentence... but I think the point comes across.

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Something about Firefly? Hang on, thats definitely something about Chobot. No more ugly something or other jesus fuck what is this.
I KNOW I AM DOING MYSELF OUT OF A JOB MAYBE, AND THATS "MAYBE" AS IN "I THINK THATS WHAT WAS WRITTEN".
YES I could right (but probably meant write) better if you convented, hang on thats not even a real word, what the shitting fuck, screw this I'm off for a kebab and then bed.

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Allow me to preach an undeniable fact of the universe.

Any action, inaction, speech, or the lack of speech, WILL offend someone. Just by existing, you're going to offend someone at some point in your life, much in the same way that at some point in their careers, all doctors and nurses will kill someone.

Lets take Dofuss as a perfect example. He says nothing in English, or in Japanese to anyone. But the sheer fact that he's American, and lives in Japan? That's enough to offend some older-fashioned people, some to the point of violence.

Everyone will take offence to something said on this board, I can personally guarantee it. Whether people will admit it or not, everyone will have taken offence to something on here. Even among friends, you will be offended by something.

I'm quite lucky in my attitude really. The things I care enough about to get truely offended at? Anything against my partner's, and my direct and indirect families. That's it.

Nothing else.

I play WoW, I've been mocked openly, and relentlessly by gaming communities, colleagues, friends, and even family.
A bit soggy around the midsection, and losing it on top? Yeah, still getting those.
From Norfolk? I've had an ex-colleague ask me without any intention of irony if I'm a good swimmer, and like my sister.

Mock me all you want, but go down the line of those families with intent, and you're liable for a kicking. And not an internet tough guy one. An actual one, with me travelling the world to apply my foot, to your arse.

Laugh it off, understand that someone's going to be offended, no matter what is said by or to you as a person.

You want some advice on how to mock people for the colour of their skin? Say that black people are the first around a BBQ, apron and tongs at the ready, and probably making the food resemble their skin colour.

Want to know why? Get in good with a black family, and get invited to a BBQ with more of the family. It's the single most social experience you'll ever have the luck to be in. So social, that the food is oft-forgotten, and ends up charred.

Words themselves have no malice, no harm at all. It's the intent that makes something inherently derogatory, not the words, but the intentions behind them. Yes, a lot of intent is found through vocal inflections, which is why you need to be cautious, but not so to the point where the caution itself is stopping dialogue from flowing. Once we get to the point of being afraid of the words themselves, then we may as well not bother speaking any more.

And for the record? Nigger vs cracker?

Nigger - Derived from the French, le/la negre meaning "the black (m/f)". When directed to black people, this is used both derogatory by predominately white people, and benevolently by predominately black people.
Cracker - Derived from "Whip cracker", or slave master. Used exclusively as a derogatory term.

Just from that, cracker is the more offensive of the terms, yet because white people are a majority in the 1st world (which has the luxury of taking offence at a simple word), this is not reported as racism, nor even recognised as such.

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Allow me to preach.

Peace, love and unity is the way forward.
Let us all unite, in order to spread peace across this beautiful world.

That is all.

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Lets take Dofuss as a perfect example. The sheer fact that he's American, and lives in Japan?

Well, you're half right... listen to one of his shows, you'll see what I mean. ;)

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And while I agree with Nubnos in every way, I only agree with it as far as how I act with other people that I know.

But with this being an internet forum, and one that a) is part of Pie's professional portfolio, and b) is something that both of us would like to see thrive, stuff like racism - I may occasionally throw out the odd illegal alien comment to Twilight, and he in turn insults my British arse - I want to keep off the forums, not cos I'm worried about upsetting someone, but because I'm worried about upsetting potential new members and giving this site a bad reputation.

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Blokeymon wrote:
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Lets take Dofuss as a perfect example. The sheer fact that he's American, and lives in Japan?

Well, you're half right... listen to one of his shows, you'll see what I mean. ;)


Then let's change it...

He's living in Japan, but isn't Japanese...

Happy, you cider drinking tubby? :P (And for anyone that it might offend, I know that Carl both drinks cider, and is as equally soggy around the midsection as I am)

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To be fair, the people round here would only be offended if a) you went direct and personal, and meant it, or b) posted something blatantly against the rules.

So anyways, Nub, how you finding that new fangled "running water" they recently brought to your behind-the-rest-of-the-world village? Not been that excited since they brought you fire and the wheel, eh? :D

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So anyways, Nub, how you finding that new fangled "running water" they recently brought to your behind-the-rest-of-the-world village? Not been that excited since they brought you fire and the wheel, eh? :D

You can bring us technology, and we'll teach your sack of shites to play football. Sound fair? :P

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You can bring us technology, and we'll teach your sack of shites to play football. Sound fair? :P

We could do the same to you if you want. ;)

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