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 Post subject: Re: Terra's evolution argument and later religious general topic
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I'm aware that there are other theories. But that's what they are: THEORIES. Meaning it's not a certainty. So until there's concrete evidence that confirms one of these myriad theories, I reserve the right to put my belief in Zombie Jew and his dad.
This cracks me up. So concrete evidence is needed to believe in a theory but not needed to believe in Zombie Jew?

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I'm saying there's no concrete evidence backing either one. Until this changes, either one is just as valid, and I choose to put my stock in Christianity.

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Which is exactly what I said.
Can neither prove nor disprove either, it's all about opinion. My opinion is that zombie Jews are cool.

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except one is a theory based on the scientific method with no ulterior motives and one is a book that tries to tell you how you should live your life written by those who could read and write (rich and powerful).

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One ends in oblivion, one ends in paradise.

Am I deluding myself because I am fearful of oblivion? No, but even if I were;

Am I fine with that? You bet your ass.


Edit: Oh, and, save for the praying at mealtimes and bedtime, I'd live my life exactly the same, with or without Christianity. If you were planning on raping and cheating and stealing and killing until you discovered the Bible, you have some other issues that you need to work out.

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except one is a theory based on the scientific method with no ulterior motives and one is a book that tries to tell you how you should live your life written by those who could read and write (rich and powerful).


Question: Is this moral code proposed by the Bible somehow flawed? Is there a reason I shouldn't live my life by it? 'Cause by all accounts, there have been some pretty awesome people that called themselves Christians. Why wouldn't I want to be more like Mother Theresa, who devoted her entire life to charity? Why wouldn't I want to be more like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, who died for the cause of equality for all?

And before you throw the Crusades or any number of heads of state over the years that have done terrible things and still claimed to be Christians, let me launch a little preemptive strike. People, no matter what creed they ascribe to, take words out of context and twist them to serve their own purposes. Look at the story of Jesus' life, and tell me why I shouldn't want to live by the moral code that he laid down.

And as for the theory of evolution being produced with no ulterior motive, HA. Nothing is created for the sole advancement of science. There's always an ulterior motive.

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Smokey wrote:
fanboy19 wrote:
except one is a theory based on the scientific method with no ulterior motives and one is a book that tries to tell you how you should live your life written by those who could read and write (rich and powerful).


Question: Is this moral code proposed by the Bible somehow flawed? Is there a reason I shouldn't live my life by it? 'Cause by all accounts, there have been some pretty awesome people that called themselves Christians. Why wouldn't I want to be more like Mother Theresa, who devoted her entire life to charity? Why wouldn't I want to be more like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, who died for the cause of equality for all?

And before you throw the Crusades or any number of heads of state over the years that have done terrible things and still claimed to be Christians, let me launch a little preemptive strike. People, no matter what creed they ascribe to, take words out of context and twist them to serve their own purposes. Look at the story of Jesus' life, and tell me why I shouldn't want to live by the moral code that he laid down.

And as for the theory of evolution being produced with no ulterior motive, HA. Nothing is created for the sole advancement of science. There's always an ulterior motive.

Ulterior motives for religion
Profitable
Stops women having as many rights as men....
Can get millions of idiots for any cause they twist religious words around

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Cono-Strikes-Back wrote:
Smokey wrote:
fanboy19 wrote:
except one is a theory based on the scientific method with no ulterior motives and one is a book that tries to tell you how you should live your life written by those who could read and write (rich and powerful).


Question: Is this moral code proposed by the Bible somehow flawed? Is there a reason I shouldn't live my life by it? 'Cause by all accounts, there have been some pretty awesome people that called themselves Christians. Why wouldn't I want to be more like Mother Theresa, who devoted her entire life to charity? Why wouldn't I want to be more like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, who died for the cause of equality for all?

And before you throw the Crusades or any number of heads of state over the years that have done terrible things and still claimed to be Christians, let me launch a little preemptive strike. People, no matter what creed they ascribe to, take words out of context and twist them to serve their own purposes. Look at the story of Jesus' life, and tell me why I shouldn't want to live by the moral code that he laid down.

And as for the theory of evolution being produced with no ulterior motive, HA. Nothing is created for the sole advancement of science. There's always an ulterior motive.

Ulterior motives for religion
Profitable
Stops women having as many rights as men....
Can get millions of idiots for any cause they twist religious words around


Ulterior motives for science:

1) Financially profitable (research grants, patents, royalties, etc)
2) Military domination (the sole reason for the advancement of science until about fifty years ago)
3) Can get millions of idiots to do what they want because it's SCIENCE (e.g. global warming, theory of evolution, etc)

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Smokey wrote:

Question: Is this moral code proposed by the Bible somehow flawed? Is there a reason I shouldn't live my life by it?

Exodus 35:2 (New International Version)
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women[a] will be saved[b] through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Leviticus 21:16-23
The LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron: 'For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy. [e] ' "

Leviticus 19:19
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

I'm sure I could find hundreds more but those alone should be enough to make you rethink living by the bibles rules.

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The passages of the Old Testament do not apply. I'm not a Jew, and I am not bound by their laws.

As for the I Timothy passage, Paul wrote that. As such, it does have a cultural bias. As I'm sure you know, Middle Eastern society was (and still is largely) very patriarchal. It was not a command to put women down and keep them ignorant, it was the affirmation of a close-minded but mostly benign cultural idiosyncrasy.

In addition, recall that it was a letter to Timothy. It was intended for him, and the content of the letter reflects that. It is not a binding body of law for all Christians. It was advice for Timothy that would help him build a thriving church.

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regardless of which you follow. If you believe in the authenticity of the new testament than you have to believe in the authenticity of the old testament. so whether you follow them or not, those are gods laws.

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regardless of which you follow. If you believe in the authenticity of the new testament than you have to believe in the authenticity of the old testament. so whether you follow them or not, those are gods laws.


I do not dispute the authenticity of the Old Testament. I'm simply not bound by it. The Pentateuch is a set of laws for the Jewish people. Like I said, I'm not Jewish.

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regardless of which you follow. If you believe in the authenticity of the new testament than you have to believe in the authenticity of the old testament. so whether you follow them or not, those are gods laws.


I do not dispute the authenticity of the Old Testament. I'm simply not bound by it. The Pentateuch is a set of laws for the Jewish people. Like I said, I'm not Jewish.


ya srsly.

Jesus basically came along and said, "HEY GUYS, REMEMBER ALL THAT OLD STUFF IN THE BIBLE?
DISREGARD THAT, I SUCKED COCKS. I GOT BETTER THOUGH. HERE'S HOW STUFF SHOULD GO DOWN."


I always find it amusing when people try to throw down against Christians with the Old Testament, and present a bunch of Leviticus stuff. That's all about what's unclean in the eyes of the Lord, but when Jesus got here, he was all "So yeah, changed my mind. Cripples and women on their period are A-OK by me, nothing's unclean to me. So that whole Leviticus thing, uh...sorry."

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