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People can believe what they want, when they want, how they want, who am I to tell them if it's right or wrong? It's their beliefs.


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You're Matthew of Southampton. That's who you are. Dumbass.

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People can believe what they want, when they want, how they want, who am I to tell them if it's right or wrong? It's their beliefs.

They're free to believe what they're want, but you're also free to criticize them =) Discussion and reasoning is considered healthy in all fields but religion. I wonder why :lol: The Quran even says something like "the one who reasons about religion goes to hell kthxbai".

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id create a world where i personally would be in charge of everything. sort of like an overlord. where everyone would be able to worship whatever religion they want and be able to say and/or do whatever they want as long as they dont hurt or force anyone anyone (i.e. "you dont worship my religion, i shall kill you for it" or "you cant watch that show because God says so"). ill also make it so no country is poor and hopefully cut down on crime with it

i know the flaw in this though as people will try and usurp me or if anyone replaces me, theyll screw it up badly. i understand that but this is my perfect world

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I'm a socialist, but before you jump to conclusions, screaming BURN THE COMMUNIST, I want you to take a moment to understand what the difference between a socialist and communist is (if you didn't already know)

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Socialism and communism are ideological doctrines that have many similarities as well as many differences. It is difficult to discern the true differences between socialism and communism, as various societies have tried different types of both systems in myriad forms, and many ideologues with different agendas have defined both systems in biased terms. Some general points distinguishing the two concepts, however, can still be identified.

One point that is frequently raised to distinguish socialism from communism is that socialism generally refers to an economic system, while communism generally refers to both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Both socialism and communism are similar in that they seek to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by capitalism.

Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. However, socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

Another difference between socialism and communism is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.

Finally, another difference between socialism and communism is centered on who controls the structure of economy. Where socialism generally aims to have as many people as possible influence how the economy works, communism seeks to concentrate that number into a smaller amount.


So yeah, I'd create a socialist society.

I'm also an anti-theist, so there wouldn't be a religious aspect to my ideal soceity and it would actively be discouraged, but no form of punishment would be established.


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and christians killin anybody that apposes theyre *cough* god


wait wut

Wtf kinda religious zealots does Ireland have?


Dude, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles I might be wrong but if I'm right in thinking, ALOT of that is religion based, then theres your answer.

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You're Matthew of Southampton. That's who you are. Dumbass.

Is it the picture? Because I thought the words under it were intelligent words.

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Se[BBB]e wrote:
The Quran even says something like "the one who reasons about religion goes to hell kthxbai".


You'll understand if I call BS in the absence of a quote from a reputable source. Kthx.

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You're Matthew of Southampton. That's who you are. Dumbass.

Is it the picture? Because I thought the words under it were intelligent words.


They were. I was giving you shit. AGAIN.

You know, "who am I to...", "You're Matthew...". Get it now?

Explaining jokes really blows. :cry:

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The Quran even says something like "the one who reasons about religion goes to hell kthxbai".


You'll understand if I call BS in the absence of a quote from a reputable source. Kthx.

:lol: Well, I'm not gonna skim through the entire quran but somewhere in there's a quote that says something that means that one should accept islam on faith ALONE and not try and reason about it. It also directly condemns reason when it comes to religion. I'm sorry I don't have the actual quote :/

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Humans have built-in morals; there's no need for a religion to provide us with such a set. Religions are good for satisfying the human need for knowledge. We're control freaks and we like to know wth is going on so we make up stuff when we do not; hence religion. If I were to start a world grounds-up, religion would come by itself. If I got to start off with current day technology, it wouldn't be necessary.


The results of Communism (my ideal truth be told) say that while we may hold morals they will not lead to a balanced world. Some form of outside moral structure would be needed. Not suggesting that need be a religion per say but some thing.

Joe I see your point on Socialism, but feel that Communism would be the ideal, with every one ding the same amount of work. Again the problem comes from people not pulling their weight. Quantifying one job as more effort than another is tough in a socialist society though (at least in creating one) as current social constructs dictate that some jobs are more worthy of reward - which technically they are not if the only jobs being done in a founding society are necessary ones (not so true in our service industry based countries I will concede).

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The Quran even says something like "the one who reasons about religion goes to hell kthxbai".


You'll understand if I call BS in the absence of a quote from a reputable source. Kthx.

:lol: Well, I'm not gonna skim through the entire quran but somewhere in there's a quote that says something that means that one should accept islam on faith ALONE and not try and reason about it. It also directly condemns reason when it comes to religion. I'm sorry I don't have the actual quote :/


If you can find a specific verse from the Bible online (which you can), then I'm pretty sure you can also find a verse from the Quran somewhere online. Google may well be your best friend in this endeavor.

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and christians killin anybody that apposes theyre *cough* god


wait wut

Wtf kinda religious zealots does Ireland have?[/quote]

Dude, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles I might be wrong but if I'm right in thinking, ALOT of that is religion based, then theres your answer.[/quote]
Well in ireland, ye taht was true///... but you cant deny its just gives stupid people excuses to kill each other over stupid things

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Well in ireland, ye taht was true///... but you cant deny its just gives stupid people excuses to kill each other over stupid things


So we should get rid of everything that causes people to kill each other? Things like music, money, family, the ideals of love and justice? Just fuck 'em all and do without?

If there was no religion, those same stupid people would find another stupid thing to kill people for. To them, religion is nothing more than another excuse. That does not mean that religion is inherently bad.

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The results of Communism (my ideal truth be told) say that while we may hold morals they will not lead to a balanced world. Some form of outside moral structure would be needed. Not suggesting that need be a religion per say but some thing.

You're right, that's why we have a law.

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Smokey wrote:
wait wut

Wtf kinda religious zealots does Ireland have?


Dude, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles I might be wrong but if I'm right in thinking, ALOT of that is religion based, then theres your answer.[/quote]
Well in ireland, ye taht was true///... but you cant deny its just gives stupid people excuses to kill each other over stupid things[/quote]

So we should get rid of everything that causes people to kill each other? Things like music, money, family, the ideals of love and justice? Just fuck 'em all and do without?

If there was no religion, those same stupid people would find another stupid thing to kill people for. To them, religion is nothing more than another excuse. That does not mean that religion is inherently bad.[/quote]
Music kill people ? O_O
Money is the root of all evil
family? see bible says inbreeding is ok, but its not i tell ya :lol:
Love....... rawr
justice like good and bad is opinion
But I for one believe no religion is good, live your life the real way rather than worry about '''oh crap i cursed god gonna spank me now, opps i killed someone im going to hell'''
At the end of the day to each his own

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