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they aren't. When George Lucas first wrote Star Wars it was episodes 4, 5, and 6. It wasn't until he wanted more money that he worked up the crap that is 1, 2, and 3. That's why there are so many flaws in it. 2 examples being R2D2 flying and Obi Wan being there for the birth of the twins. Not to mention the time line is completely fucked up. The clone wars happened way before Anakin was ever around according to the lore.

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they aren't. When George Lucas first wrote Star Wars it was episodes 4, 5, and 6. It wasn't until he wanted more money that he worked up the crap that is 1, 2, and 3. That's why there are so many flaws in it. 2 examples being R2D2 flying and Obi Wan being there for the birth of the twins. Not to mention the time line is completely fucked up. The clone wars happened way before Anakin was ever around according to the lore.


Just to bum you out, the official Star Wars Digital Encyclopedia Thing that I have for PC, and which came out well before Phantom Menace was put into production, Lucas confirms he originally wrote an entire series (either 12 or 16, I can't remember), but when he submitted them for movie production, only 4-6 were approved, as they would be "easier to film with the current special effects".

I'd need to install it and screencap it for proof, but there ya go.

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yeah, and you're gonna take Lucas' word for it? Actually, when Lucas made Star Wars Ep 4 it was the only one that was approved. It wasn't until Ep 4 did so good in theaters that 5 and 6 were approved. As far as 1, 2, and 3 go. Yes he had a story in mind but never intended to put them into production. And they weren't the giant pieces of shit that were released either. But he couldn't have 1, 2, and 3 without references to the originals now could he?

and I'm not just making this up either. I have a behind the scenes VHS somewhere from like 12 years ago which states just what I've said. Not the 1, 2, 3 part obviously because at that point they weren't even considered for movies. 1, 2, and 3 just goes back to the lore in which the clone wars happened hundreds of years before Anakin was even around, not to mention Obi Wan, Chewbacca, R2D2, C3PO, or any other characters he decided to tie in.

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George Lucas began writing the new Star Wars trilogy on November 1, 1994.[31] The screenplay for Star Wars was adapted from Lucas' 15-page outline that was written in 1976. The early outline was originally designed to help Lucas track the character backstories and what events had taken place before the original trilogy.[31] While the working title for the film was The Beginning,[31] Lucas later revealed the true title to be The Phantom Menace; a reference to Senator Palpatine's true nature as seemingly good and just in public, but in private a manipulative Sith Lord.[32]

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Not only are you quoting Wikipedia, the centre of all things totally accurate and true (¬.¬), but you bolded the wrong bit.

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George Lucas began writing the new Star Wars trilogy on November 1, 1994.[31] The screenplay for Star Wars was adapted from Lucas' 15-page outline that was written in 1976. The early outline was originally designed to help Lucas track the character backstories and what events had taken place before the original trilogy.[31] While the working title for the film was The Beginning,[31] Lucas later revealed the true title to be The Phantom Menace; a reference to Senator Palpatine's true nature as seemingly good and just in public, but in private a manipulative Sith Lord.[32]


A 15 page "outline"? Thats a lot of outline....

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I was just going off the fact that the Star Wars series has 6 movies in it.

I mean, that's like a fact, a proper physical fact, guys. It's not like someone's opinion -- the Star Wars series has 6 films.

It really doesn't matter what we say, usually along the lines of "I refuse to accept the prequels as canon" but face it -- the guy who OWNS Star Wars has made 3 prequels. They're official and canon and they exist, so why waste time pretending they don't?

It's not "all good things must come to an end", it's "all good things will later be ruined".

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Eps 1-3 were utter dogshit though, no contest.

Only the podracing sequence, the fight between Qui Gon, Obi Wan and Darth Maul in Ep1, the arena fight in Ep2, and from when Anakin turns dark in Ep3, are actually worth watching, and even then, at a push.

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Eps 1-3 were utter dogshit though, no contest.

Only the podracing sequence, the fight between Qui Gon, Obi Wan and Darth Maul in Ep1, the arena fight in Ep2, and from when Anakin turns dark in Ep3, are actually worth watching, and even then, at a push.


Anakin is the very symbol of everything wrong with the prequels. Whinging, Dawsons Creek in Space, fairy, teenagers gone wild, spoilt little dick. "Waaaaaa they're holding me back!"

Obi Wan should have smashed him in the face. Smashed him, right in his stupid crying girly face.

VADER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROCK HARD SPACE BASTARD.

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Blokeymon wrote:
Not only are you quoting Wikipedia, the centre of all things totally accurate and true (¬.¬), but you bolded the wrong bit.

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George Lucas began writing the new Star Wars trilogy on November 1, 1994.[31] The screenplay for Star Wars was adapted from Lucas' 15-page outline that was written in 1976. The early outline was originally designed to help Lucas track the character backstories and what events had taken place before the original trilogy.[31] While the working title for the film was The Beginning,[31] Lucas later revealed the true title to be The Phantom Menace; a reference to Senator Palpatine's true nature as seemingly good and just in public, but in private a manipulative Sith Lord.[32]


A 15 page "outline"? Thats a lot of outline....

yes, an outline. backstory on the characters. that's all. as in Vader used to be Anakin Skywalker, Luke's father. He used to be a Jedi. He was one of the best. Then he turned to the dark side and killed people. That's all it was. It wasn't yeah so this little bitch kid has a mom but no dad, then this other planet gets attacked so they have to flee and they find this bitch kid and start betting on him and shit. And I'm only quoting Wikipedia cause it's easier than quoting the interviews on a DVD. Go bust out your Star Wars DVDs and you'll see it says exactly that on them.

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fanboy19 wrote:
Blokeymon wrote:
Not only are you quoting Wikipedia, the centre of all things totally accurate and true (¬.¬), but you bolded the wrong bit.

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George Lucas began writing the new Star Wars trilogy on November 1, 1994.[31] The screenplay for Star Wars was adapted from Lucas' 15-page outline that was written in 1976. The early outline was originally designed to help Lucas track the character backstories and what events had taken place before the original trilogy.[31] While the working title for the film was The Beginning,[31] Lucas later revealed the true title to be The Phantom Menace; a reference to Senator Palpatine's true nature as seemingly good and just in public, but in private a manipulative Sith Lord.[32]


A 15 page "outline"? Thats a lot of outline....

yes, an outline. backstory on the characters. that's all. as in Vader used to be Anakin Skywalker, Luke's father. He used to be a Jedi. He was one of the best. Then he turned to the dark side and killed people. That's all it was. It wasn't yeah so this little bitch kid has a mom but no dad, then this other planet gets attacked so they have to flee and they find this bitch kid and start betting on him and shit. And I'm only quoting Wikipedia cause it's easier than quoting the interviews on a DVD. Go bust out your Star Wars DVDs and you'll see it says exactly that on them.


Guys I said don't get me started...

I always get annoyed when I compare Kenobi's story from ANH with what happened in the prequels.

I always felt like Anakin was a rock hard headbutting celestial nut buster LONG before he met the Space Hippy Council.

Then again that's just me saying "damnzit I shoulda written the prequels"... aw man they would have been AMAZING.

I'm imagining that now, and it's actually distracted me from raging. Mmmmmm... Vader and Fett buddy movie... Another 48 Parsecs... <3


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that whole Fett being a clone thing is bullshit too. Lucas didn't care how much he fucked up the lore he just wanted some cash. It had nothing to do with "the story that he wanted to tell" just like the special edition star wars was all about money and not about how he wanted to tell the story.

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that whole Fett being a clone thing is bullshit too. Lucas didn't care how much he fucked up the lore he just wanted some cash. It had nothing to do with "the story that he wanted to tell" just like the special edition star wars was all about money and not about how he wanted to tell the story.


That pissed me off SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much.

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And Stones, congrats for knowing that. You get a medal.

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because the prequels were only made so Lucas could have more money and were never part of the original books. It would be like if in 20 years they decided to make 3 new LOTR movies telling the story of the first battle with Sauron. Sure it might be cool but it was never part of the lore.


First off, the first battle with Sauron IS part of the lore. It's called The Silmarrillion. Secondly, Blokey's right, the prequels were written up along with the original trilogy. Thirdly, the Clone Wars did not occur hundreds of years before A New Hope. Unless you're gonna tell me that Obi-Wan is hundreds of years old in ANH. Did you forget that the movie specifically mentions him as General Kenobi?

Yeah, Anakin was a bitch. I will forever hate Hayden Christensen for what he did to this character. But Boba Fett as a clone? What's the matter with that? I've read every Star Wars book that even touches on Fett, before AND after Ep. 2 came out, and I'll tell ya that nothing conflicts. NOTHING. The idea that he went from scared clone child to changing his name in becoming a Journeyman Protector of a space colony, then becoming the best bounty hunter ever like his father after killing a man and ruining his altered persona isn't all that far-fetched, as far as Star Wars goes. Certainly more believable than whiny Anakin I-Hate-Everything-'Cause-I'm-An-Emo-Sparkle-Fairy Skywalker becoming the insanely badass Sith Lord Darth Vader. And whiny Luke I-Frenched-My-Sister Skywalker becoming the insanely badass Master of the New Jedi Order, too.

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