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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:19 pm 
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So Pinocchio's nose grows when he tells a lie, and doesn't do anything when he tells the truth.

So what would happen if Pinocchio said "My nose is about to grow!"?

Discuss.

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Disintergrates.

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This sentence is false.

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His nose would just take a little longer to grow. Y'know?

"My nose is about to grow! :D -waits-..... :lol: ..... -after he's all smug 'cause he thinks he beat the system his nose grows- :facepalm: "

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Blokeymon wrote:
So Pinocchio's nose grows when he tells a lie, and doesn't do anything when he tells the truth.

So what would happen if Pinocchio said "My nose is about to grow!"?

Discuss.



We'll it would be true if it grew but it only grows when he's lying so therefore it would grow but then it would be true...

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It all depends on what view of science you're taking. For example, take quantum mechanics.

Assuming the timeframe is linear and no precognition is available, then the nose can exist in both a normal and extended state until it is observed. The standing state is an ungrown nose, the growth is only triggered when statement != truth. Therefore to say "My nose is about to grow" is inaccurate, which will trigger a nasal surface area increase. At the time the statement was made, the nose was not about to grow. As we have already accepted the timeframe is a mono-directional forward linear progression, the latter reaction cannot affect the earlier statement. As the nose grows, it will become visible to Pinocchio, thereby setting the state as one of growth. Given it is the act of Pinocchio seeing his own nose that sets the quantum state of the nose, the follow-up question should be "Given the previous followed procedures, what would happen if Pinocchio has his eyes shut?"

Another follow-up question is "Why isn't he down the local brothel declaring he's Superman?"

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It all depends on what view of science you're taking. For example, take quantum mechanics.

Assuming the timeframe is linear and no precognition is available, then the nose can exist in both a normal and extended state until it is observed. The standing state is an ungrown nose, the growth is only triggered when statement != truth. Therefore to say "My nose is about to grow" is inaccurate, which will trigger a nasal surface area increase. At the time the statement was made, the nose was not about to grow. As we have already accepted the timeframe is a mono-directional forward linear progression, the latter reaction cannot affect the earlier statement. As the nose grows, it will become visible to Pinocchio, thereby setting the state as one of growth. Given it is the act of Pinocchio seeing his own nose that sets the quantum state of the nose, the follow-up question should be "Given the previous followed procedures, what would happen if Pinocchio has his eyes shut?"

Another follow-up question is "Why isn't he down the local brothel declaring he's Superman?"


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Shush you and go back to your GH. Oh... wait... :D

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Your statement is flawed, as it does not matter whether or not something is seen or observed. His nose is either normal sized or it is larger, regardless of the observer. Same as the sun moves while you cannot see it, your clocks progression continues when you are asleep, observation is not an issue as these things just are.

For Pinocchio to make such a statement would likely result in the end of the world. For his nose not to grow would cause his statement to be false, and for his nose to grow, it would cause the statement to be true. Those two different outcomes cannot be obtained in the same single instance, and in order for the universe to continue on with the rules of everything, it would have to destroy itself.

Or something.

Oh, and I *will* carry on with my GH. GHIII that is. Ha! :P

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You need to learn up on your quantum physics and mechanics.
Schrödinger's cat

You're also implying that the rules of cause and effect aren't in operation.
Step 1: A statement is made.
Step 2: A reaction occurs to the statement.
Step 2 cannot influence step 1.

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Statement = My nose is about to grow.

If the nose grows, then the statement is true, which goes against the whole "curse".

If the nose does not grow, then the statement is false, and the nose will grow, which will then make the statement true, which goes against the whole "curse".

There really is no point in talking real world physics when we're talking about something that only occurs in a non-real world. Add to that the fact you're 97% cider.... :D

As for the cat thing, it merely suggests, it doesn't prove.

Nice try though.

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nose would grow
shrink
grow again
shrink
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