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 Post subject: Re: Is the dreaded Red Ring Of Death as bad as people make out?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:38 pm 
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I thought MS came out and admitted that they were bypassing the middle man by buying direct from the manufacturer?

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I thought MS came out and admitted that they were bypassing the middle man by buying direct from the manufacturer?


Hmm, I don't remember that, but I may have just missed it.

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Yeah, it was a business decision. It's easy for us to say now that they shouldn't have done what they did. But if they didn't, the 360 might not be anywhere near as popular as it is now. After all, it's much more popular than the PS3.

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Sebbes, do me a favor and do a comparison of sales 2 years into the 360's life and 2 years into the PS3's life and then come back and post it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:48 pm 
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2 years from their respective launch?

Xbox 360: 13.3 Million units
Playstation 3: 16.5 Million units
(vgchartz.com)

PS3 sold more, but not by a huge margin. And you have to take into account the market penetration the PS2 had. The brand sells lots of PS3s. The 360 probably would've done worse if it was released after PS3. Its early release got it more gamers, and subsequently more devs and games. Which led to more sales and more gamers, etc. Plus, the PS3 craze is over. The 360's been beating the PS3 the last few months although the PS3 got ahead of 360 last month. It's pretty close between the two.

As of today, 360 has sold 35% more than the PS3, and their head start is probably a big factor. So perhaps "much more" is an overstatement, but 35% is quite significant.

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yeah, I understand the 360 has more market penetration but I just wanted to point out that sales based on time out are about the same.

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k, so on the whole dude who claims MS circumvented all kinds of testing procedures...

I'm assuming this is the story in question:
http://kotaku.com/5049294/game-tester-f ... 60-defects

So, some TEMP game tester, is going to be given that kinda of information? Maybe he just doesn't know what he is talking about? I've worked for MS, and there's one thing I can tell you, despite signing a shitstorm of NDAs, Temps are not told anything other than what is absolutely necessary for them to do their job. This man tested games, found bugs, and reported them. He likely had little insight into the actual operation for the fixing of those bugs, or others.

For all he knows these problems were in fact fixed. I have dead rising, and I played the living shit out of it. I never once had any problem. Yes, I know that there is a good chance I just didn't trigger the precise error, but I still maintain, MS does testing, and quality assurance (I know, I've had to do it), and I have an incredibly hard time believing they would release a game to public which they know causes system errors.

Lastlty, RRoD is a hardware failure, so what exactly does this game tester have to do with anything? He didn't even work for the hardware platform team. For all he knew hardware team worked ferociously to remedy the problem, thought they had covered it (maybe in fact did with the particular problem) but unfortunately missed the larger problem with the system.

The fact that it took so long to determine the RR problem, should tell you it wasn't all that easy to diagnose. It's easy for all of us to sit around and criticse, we're not int he situation. No doubt, this was a huge oversight, and yes cheap parts are still a factor, but in the end, I can't say anything bad about MS's quality assurance practices.

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Given the poor construction, I think that had MS had a customer service system that was less than fucking stellar, they would have not sold half as much as they have.

MS service and Live are, I think, the two things that has made the 360 the machine it is. Fantastic service and a brilliant online service can sometimes make up for shitty hardware.

Unfortunately, the PS3's online is making headway, and their service is getting better, so the next year or so are going to be interesting....

And yes, Seb. I said something good about the 360. Go change your pants. :lol: Just cos I use the PS3 more than anything, doesn't mean I don't know a good thing when I see it.

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There's nothing wrong with the 360 hardware now though. It's very powerful and reliable, the controller is the best one ever made, etc =) The build quality is great.

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the controller is the best one ever made


:facepalm:

:lol:

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Se[BBB]e wrote:
the controller is the best one ever made, etc =)


Agreed. 100000000000%

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pretty sure I'm thinking of something different sypher. I remember hearing something about Microsoft buying some piece of hardware direct from the manufacturer instead of a company say like ATI. Normally the company like ATI would do all the quality assurance before shipping it to Microsoft but because Microsoft was bypassing them the part wasn't getting the level of testing it should have.

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fanboy19 wrote:
pretty sure I'm thinking of something different sypher. I remember hearing something about Microsoft buying some piece of hardware direct from the manufacturer instead of a company say like ATI. Normally the company like ATI would do all the quality assurance before shipping it to Microsoft but because Microsoft was bypassing them the part wasn't getting the level of testing it should have.


I remember hearing whispers of something like that, but nothing ever concrete.

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Se[BBB]e wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the 360 hardware now though.

I dunno about that. I remember two weeks after I got my 360 I had red lights flashing at me when I turned it on. Not the RRoD, but it scared the shit out of me. This is an Elite, mind you.

More recently, I've had my 360 cut out on me for no apparent reason. It wasn't even warm. I think that qualifies as "wrong".

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I got that a few times too, but it disappeared after a reboot. Now it hasn't happened in half a year.

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