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 Post subject: Re: George Zimmerman Not guilty
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:06 am 
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Someone's kid died, that's sad, and by the looks of things, this guy shouldn't be free, and that's really shitty, but Bradley Manning's trial is currently under way and that's what you should be getting up in arms about.

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Someone's kid died, that's sad, and by the looks of things, this guy shouldn't be free, and that's really shitty, but Bradley Manning's trial is currently under way and that's what you should be getting up in arms about.

and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev trial is going to be starting as well. He plead not guilty the other day.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:29 am 
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/case-gaines/i-have-met-george-zimmerman/10151681580949484
Worth reading. Very worth reading.

Quoting this since I was last on the page.

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Actually, firing a warning shot my be considered illegal due to the fact that you could kill someone with a stray bullet . If she was really in danger like she said she would have shot her husband then she would have been able to use the stand your ground law as a defense.


There were still grounds to use that defense, but Florida doesn't understand anything that's remotely legal, so it cherry picks the use of its laws. Neighborhood watchman sees a kid that may or may not be up to no good, so he shoots the kid - innocent. Woman fires a warning shot to fend off an abusive husband that has a protective order filed against him - guilty, twenty years because "IZ DA LAW, CAN'T CHANG IT, LOL, HURR DURR".

Texas sucks because they understand the laws they're putting in place that screw people over and make us look bad, and they couldn't give two shits about the consequences. Florida sucks more because they have no fucking idea how to apply any law properly, whether it's state, federal, or local.

He didn't just shoot Trayvon for shits and giggles. He was seeing what trayvon was doing and confronted him. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and slammed his head in the ground. Zimmerman to defend himself drew his gun and shot him in self defense. Only one shot was fired. If he shot more than once he probably would have went to jail.


Even if all of Zimmerman's version was factual (which I doubt), Zimmerman out-massed Trayvon by a significant margin, and HE confronted the kid, not the other way around. He did so in spite of the advice of law enforcement, he pursued a confrontation (as in actively pursuing, even stalking, Trayvon for some distance beforehand), and he gets off clean by claiming self-defense under the Stand Your Ground law? While Marissa Alexander was in her home and was actually STANDING HER GROUND when she fired a warning shot at an abusive husband that was approaching her, then got twenty years for attempted murder? You know, the sort of scenario that necessitated the Stand Your Ground law in the first place?

Zimmerman shouldn't have even been in that confrontation in the first place; there were other avenues he could have taken, like wait in the car for the police to arrive. Stand Your Ground should not have applied here. It should have applied in the case of Marissa Alexander. Plain and simple.

@Terra: Great read. I'm not black, of course, but as a large, hairy guy with broad shoulders and a less-than-cuddly at-rest face, I can completely identify with the parts about having to go out of my way to make people more comfortable in my presence and how I deal with them. It sucks, but if you want to avoid unnecessary run-ins with the law and/or people capping your ass over a misunderstanding, it's absolutely essential.

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https://www.facebook.com/notes/case-gaines/i-have-met-george-zimmerman/10151681580949484
Worth reading. Very worth reading.

Quoting this since I was last on the page.


Great read, thanks for sharing :yes:

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Can we please try not to get into a discussion about race with Joey?

Not that I'm trying to say he's racist or anything, but seriously, just... please don't, okay?

Thanks.

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Can we please try not to get into a discussion about race with Joey?

Not that I'm trying to say he's racist or anything, but seriously, just... please don't, okay?

Thanks.


No race here, bruv. Just Florida being mad stupid.

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Yeah I know, it was just the whole black folks getting shit on and shit... I just got out of the therapy for what happened last time, really can't afford any more, y'know?

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Yeah I know, it was just the whole black folks getting shit on and shit... I just got out of the therapy for what happened last time, really can't afford any more, y'know?


Point made, potential debate dropped. No prob.

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Even if all of Zimmerman's version was factual (which I doubt), Zimmerman out-massed Trayvon by a significant margin, and HE confronted the kid, not the other way around. He did so in spite of the advice of law enforcement, he pursued a confrontation (as in actively pursuing, even stalking, Trayvon for some distance beforehand), and he gets off clean by claiming self-defense under the Stand Your Ground law? While Marissa Alexander was in her home and was actually STANDING HER GROUND when she fired a warning shot at an abusive husband that was approaching her, then got twenty years for attempted murder? You know, the sort of scenario that necessitated the Stand Your Ground law in the first place?

Zimmerman shouldn't have even been in that confrontation in the first place; there were other avenues he could have taken, like wait in the car for the police to arrive. Stand Your Ground should not have applied here. It should have applied in the case of Marissa Alexander. Plain and simple.

The stand your grand law should have applied for this man. Ronald Thompsons. http://flaglerlive.com/40188/ronald-thompson-shooting/ Pretty much the same thing happened to him and he is white. Also, you know how people say well, what if it was the other way around? if Zimmerman was black and Trayvon was white? Well, That same thing did happen. Check these links out here. Click one click two Roderick Scott was found not guilty back in 2009 for shooting Christopher Cervini in the drive way across the street.

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There is a difference between a kid minding his own business and a group of drunk and drugged out kids breaking into this mans car. One is a crime, the other was not.

You should stop while you are ahead Joey.

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Even if all of Zimmerman's version was factual (which I doubt), Zimmerman out-massed Trayvon by a significant margin, and HE confronted the kid, not the other way around. He did so in spite of the advice of law enforcement, he pursued a confrontation (as in actively pursuing, even stalking, Trayvon for some distance beforehand), and he gets off clean by claiming self-defense under the Stand Your Ground law? While Marissa Alexander was in her home and was actually STANDING HER GROUND when she fired a warning shot at an abusive husband that was approaching her, then got twenty years for attempted murder? You know, the sort of scenario that necessitated the Stand Your Ground law in the first place?

Zimmerman shouldn't have even been in that confrontation in the first place; there were other avenues he could have taken, like wait in the car for the police to arrive. Stand Your Ground should not have applied here. It should have applied in the case of Marissa Alexander. Plain and simple.

The stand your grand law should have applied for this man. Ronald Thompsons. http://flaglerlive.com/40188/ronald-thompson-shooting/ Pretty much the same thing happened to him and he is white. Also, you know how people say well, what if it was the other way around? if Zimmerman was black and Trayvon was white? Well, That same thing did happen. Check these links out here. Click one click two Roderick Scott was found not guilty back in 2009 for shooting Christopher Cervini in the drive way across the street.


First of all, the case of Roderick Scott, as well as all events pertaining to it, occurred in New York. "Stand Your Ground" is a Florida law, so it's not relevant to this discussion. Secondly, like Suga said, there's a huge difference between defending a neighbor against four presumably grown men (and I use the term strictly in the legal sense, because any group of males that would victimize an elderly woman like that aren't men) and stalking and running down a kid simply because he has his hood up and just happens to fit the profile of other criminals.

Cases like Thompson's and Alexander's are entirely too common when you create broad, far-reaching laws with vague wording. The fact that "Stand Your Ground" and "10-20-Life" exist in the same realm showcases how completely unfit Florida's legislature is for their collective job, and how unfit Floridians in general are to vote and govern themselves. Just turn the damn place into one big retirement home already; it's halfway there as it is.

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