So does your mom.

Wii controller felt good in my hand. Couldn't play a serious fuckin' game on it though.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that it's gonna suck for serious games. But they're not a serious game company anymore, face it. They're not the Nintedo they used to be.

Which of their serious games are they not still making? They are the same company, its our tastes as gamers that have changes.

To alter my first statement, they never were a serious game company, they just make some quality games that anyone can enjoy. They would never have made a serious shooter even at their peak of making 'core' games.

Just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper, Nintendo.

I think you misunderstand my use of the word "serious". I don't mean "adult", "edgy", "dark" or "violent". I love nintendo's games, but I'm not talking about the games.

It's the interface. And as we all know, a good game can only go so far on a shite console. Why do you think the Wii doesn't get the AAA games that other consoles get? If Amazing.inc game company thought they'd get decent sales on a Wii, they'd not release it? A sale's a sale.

Add to the fact that the Wii was behind on hardware, BIG time. Do I care that the graphics aren't as good? Nah do I chuff. What I do care about is that another reason Devs don't release for the Wii is the Hardware doesn't support the games, therefore most of the time an entire new game is required to be made, so they don't bother, it's not cost effective.

Say a game does come out on the Wii as well as other consoles. Equally good game. I'll still choose PS3 or 360 (or most likely in my case, PC), because of the shitty controllers. Yes, wiggle wiggle. Fuck that. Adding features into a console is great unless it spoils the game, which the Wii mote did more than it made things fun. In the right games it's ace (have you seen that Ghost Recon Online trailer? Looks the fucking bomb), but fuck me when they seemingly implenet the gadgets for the sake of it, it damn near ruins the experience. That's why I want a real fucking controller, that can be used on the games that don't require a wiimote or biglongnintendopad.

I'm gonna say it. It's for casual gamers. The wii was, the Wii U will be. It's for people that get their fun from gadgets and novelty features. The gamers that buy the console will not spend any significant time on the games they get, because they won't be in depth, nor will they want in depth. If they wanted a "serious" game, they'd be gamers without the gadgets and the easily accessible games.

The Wii was, in places, a very enjoyable experience. Sadly it was too few and far between to warrant buying a Wii U.

Actually I misunderstood your definition of Nintendo. You referred to the hardware, not the software devision. Even then though I would argue that, actually, the Wii and DS were a return to the innovation of control method that Nintendo always pioneered in.

D-pad, 6-buttons, analogue (as standard). Each marked advancements over peers... The Gamecube lost out by 1- following the crowd, 2- memory limitations, and 3- a perception it was for kids limiting instal base.

So for Wii they went back to innovating on controls, and as always this was based on Miyamoto's ideas for a game. Its lack of power was its real limiting factor in the end, as if it had been powerful enough everything would have been put on it and the classic controller would have been iterated out the arse to 1 sell more and 2 be better.

Yes, I barely play my Wii, but I have a stack of games here I can get nowhere else, more than either my PS3 collection or my 360 collection separately (for the recored I have OWNED more PS3 and 360 games but I dont want to keep them and so sell them), and most are Nintendo first party.

The Wii U could be amazing and the extra screen could really do something special, after all who wrote off the DS when they heard about it. Is it for the casual, I think a bit yes, but with a higher focus on single player (still unconfirmed but likely thanks to the limitation of streaming) it maybe less so than you think with online being the real place for multiplayer.

I remain unconvinced, but this could be an innovation that works for Nintendo, and until I see the software and the direction that takes I will not call this one either way.

except Dpad, 6 buttons, analog were all improvements to an existing controller schema that works. The Wiimote threw the existing schema out the window.

Even with more power the Wii would have failed as a gamin system. The classic controller is not comfortable to hold, and I have small hands compared to a lot of people.

The people that wrote off the DS were right. That thing sucks. At least for lefties.

But they would have improved the classic pad every other week until it worked, being my point. And why is throwing out the old a bad idea? Iteration is not always good, it breed laziness. Something had to change the current system, or at least add diversity to it to force evolution. If iteration was all that happened we would eventually end up with 1000 button pads, or worse yet they would never change again.

Nintendo were right about one very important fact, for none gamers PC and modern pad controls are intimidating. WE may prefer not to use the Wii interface, but millions of others went for it. And what do customers say? Do they want challenging adult games? No, they want a few good nintendo games they know each year and they will buy them. Quids in for the big N.

The Wii was a response to us as the hardcore not supporting the GC. They took a spanking, and when they turned around and said we will do something different, but still very much within the ethos of our company, we get piss and feel entitled like Nintendo should be rimming us when all we did was stick it to them last generation. Welcome to the internet generation.

Back to the original point, Nintendo iterate and innovate, and no of us can deny they have continued to do so. If we don't like the direction thats one thing, and if our buying habits/system limitations haven't inspired the support of devs outside Nintendo with creative products is another matter.

Nintendo's biggest failing is not realizing that the days of mostly exclusive titles are over, because games and assets are just so expensive to generate they have to be put on every machine capable of running them to really turn a profit.

I will fight you.



...Oh.

HAH. I love that comic.

Anyways... You guys realize that the Wii U CAN support multiple Wii-U pads, right?

I meant to mention how the internet browser lets people browse on the Wii U pads, and throw stuff up on the TV. That would be pretty meh with just the controller.

Want proof that the system can support more controllers? Badabing.

It's all in the hands of devs though. I can see how Nintendo doesn't really want to make people spend tremendous amounts of money, but I really think that they should start selling the controllers separately. That, and they should start thinking about how multiple controllers could be used.

But besides that, they've got plenty of time to think. They've got over a full year before release, and implementing multiple controller support shouldn't take several years of development

Until it gives me same-room AND online FF:CC, I'm out.

None of this matters because, hurhurhur, I'm still not getting a Pii U.

but if we listened to rule #5 the nintendo boards would be empty

How so? I don't think negative opinions are what the rule's against, just no mindless bashing/trolling/shitposting/whatever.
And popping in every thread discussing the WiiU, occasionally multiple times, just to go "DOESN'T MATTER I AIN'T BUYING IT" falls into the latter category.