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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:38 pm 
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I'm pretty sure they said that the ngp will have a VC for PS1 games, but what about ps2? Most of my all time favorite games were on the ps2...SotC, Okami, Star Ocean, Grandia, etc

What would you want to play on the NGP?

edit: maybe there isnt a vc, im still drunk from last night.

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It is called PS1 classics. It is on the PS3 already and I think Sony would put it on the NGP. If they start releasing PS2 games for this thing then Sony should let people play PS2 game on the PS3.

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Considering you can already play PS1 games on the first PSP, seem as if it'll be the same case with the NGP

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Yes PS1 games would be a no brainer, but how would they do PS2 games? If they can't do them for the PS3 at present, then it would seem that the NGP is unlikely too.

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Yes PS1 games would be a no brainer, but how would they do PS2 games? If they can't do them for the PS3 at present, then it would seem that the NGP is unlikely too.


Yes of course they can do it for PS3, they've always been able too.

BUT...

They make more money forcing you to buy the PS2 years after release (because come on, I doubt any one's working from the early 2000's any more)

They make a killing on PS2 classics that are hard to find (Ico?)

They make even more money when retards buy "HD Remakes" of games like GoW1+2 etc that are only one generation old and by no means ageing badly.

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Yes PS1 games would be a no brainer, but how would they do PS2 games? If they can't do them for the PS3 at present, then it would seem that the NGP is unlikely too.


Yes of course they can do it for PS3, they've always been able too.

BUT...

They make more money forcing you to buy the PS2 years after release (because come on, I doubt any one's working from the early 2000's any more)

They make a killing on PS2 classics that are hard to find (Ico?)

They make even more money when retards buy "HD Remakes" of games like GoW1+2 etc that are only one generation old and by no means ageing badly.

Adding PS1 backwards compatability is like getting a pint of lager and adding a dash of blackcurrant (to make lager and black). the dash you add is so small that you don't notice the extra room it takes up, but it makes a whole load of difference.

Adding PS2 backwards compatability is like trying to get two pints of lager into a one pint glass. Somethings gonna give, just like the early machines with limited BC that was glitchy as hell in places.

1. Both my PS2 (that was bought 2001) and Cas's PS2 (that was bought 2003) both work fine, and have had quite possible the most pummelling of any console ever bought. The only difference is, we looked after our machines. Regular dusting, regular lens cleaning, kept in a well vented area, etc.

2. They make a killing on PS2 classics? You mean, the ones that are only available pre-owned? You mean even the ones that aren't made, developed, or published by Sony? You mean the ones that Sony see no money from? Yeah, what a wonderful business plan Sony have there. :facepalm:

3. Simple maths here. Lets assume you already own a PS3, seeing as the chioce is GOWC or the original stuff...

Buying "God Of War Collection" for your PS3 = £29.99

Buying a PS2 (cos no early PS2s work, right?), God Of War 1 and God Of War 2 = £59.99 + £19.99 + £19.99 (all preowned) = £99.97

Also, god forbid that you weren't privileged enough to own a PS2, eh? Sucks to be you if you're just getting around to be of gaming age, yes? What right do you have to want to try and learn the history of a new game? If you do, go out and spend a buttload of cash on preowned goods, amirite?

While you might be right in thinking it smacks a lot like cashing in at Sonys end, for the consumer, its a lot more cost-effective to buy a HD remake (that is either more than one game or comes with a whole load of extras) as its cheaper and easier than digging around for the old games and the system to play them on.

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Adding PS2 backwards compatability is like trying to get two pints of lager into a one pint glass. Somethings gonna give, just like the early machines with limited BC that was glitchy as hell in places.

Sony removed it for marketing profit, nothing else. If a PC with hardware that's completely different to that of a PS2 can run a PS2 game perfect (and in some cases, better), than the PS3 should.

1. Both my PS2 (that was bought 2001) and Cas's PS2 (that was bought 2003) both work fine, and have had quite possible the most pummelling of any console ever bought. The only difference is, we looked after our machines. Regular dusting, regular lens cleaning, kept in a well vented area, etc.


Two of my PS2's couldn't read purple disks, opening the console would void the warranty to clean it, so my only means was to go nuts on the hoover every few weeks.

2. They make a killing on PS2 classics? You mean, the ones that are only available pre-owned? You mean even the ones that aren't made, developed, or published by Sony? You mean the ones that Sony see no money from? Yeah, what a wonderful business plan Sony have there. :facepalm:

Licensing and SDK? You can't just make a game for PS2, sell it, and make profit. Obviously pre-owned aren't going to ever get money for Sony, but aside from a few of the rare games, most can still be found unsold in wraping.

3. Simple maths here. Lets assume you already own a PS3, seeing as the chioce is GOWC or the original stuff...

Buying "God Of War Collection" for your PS3 = £29.99

Buying a PS2 (cos no early PS2s work, right?), God Of War 1 and God Of War 2 = £59.99 + £19.99 + £19.99 (all preowned) = £99.97


You're assuming people don't own a PS2 but own a PS3, I know tonnes of people with only PS2's. Using a comparison of money without including the £200 for owning the PS3 is just selecting only values that suit your views.

Also, god forbid that you weren't privileged enough to own a PS2, eh? Sucks to be you if you're just getting around to be of gaming age, yes? What right do you have to want to try and learn the history of a new game? If you do, go out and spend a buttload of cash on preowned goods, amirite?

Who didn't have a PS2? And beside, all these remakes outside of Ico and SoC are just sequels to games that quite frankly aren't that different from their predecessors. Beside if you weren't gaming at the age of PS2 you're just a 8-12 year old who plays CoD all day, you're not even going to acknowledge the games exsists let alone remakes/re-releases.

While you might be right in thinking it smacks a lot like cashing in at Sonys end, for the consumer, its a lot more cost-effective to buy a HD remake (that is either more than one game or comes with a whole load of extras) as its cheaper and easier than digging around for the old games and the system to play them on.

Easier? Yes, people will gladly throw more money if it's less work.

Cheaper? Only if you assume you don't have a PS2 over a PS3/60GB BC.

My real point is though, it's cash cowing for the idiots over games that haven't even got past a decade old (Well, except for Ico and a few others). If Sony actually proposed this idea that there would be no BC for their PS3's and a few of the games would just be repackaged and sold for £40 tag, how bad do you think 2005's E3 would have been? (More so).

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All I've read in here is "HD Remakes/Selling downloads of generation old games that aren't named Ico is a ripoff only because I say so."

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I really don't think it can be argued that HD remakes are a bad thing. If people have a PS2 and the means to buy the original disc, they can go right ahead and do that. If they want the HD remake, they can do that. The choice ultimately comes down to the consumer. I don't see how its a bad thing for people to have more options.

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Who didn't have a PS2?


Lots of people didn't have a PS2. Maybe they had and Xbox or a Gamecube, or maybe they ended up selling their PS2 at some point. Maybe their PS2 broke and they didn't see a point in buying a new one at the beginning of a new console generation.

I recently bought the HD remake of Beyond Good and Evil on 360. I couldn't play it on the original Xbox because I'd givin it away to my brother when I got my 360, and the original disc was not compatible with the 360. I'd also given away my gamecube and sold my PS2. Why keep systems I play once a year when I can give them to someone who will play them, or can trade them off to buy more games? For the one or two games I missed, like Beyond Good and Evil, it's great that they are available once more.

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HGW XX/7 wrote:
All I've read in here is "HD Remakes/Selling downloads of generation old games that aren't named Ico is a ripoff only because I say so."


Why don't you say.... have your own opinion? Instead of just showing off your ignorance by posting something the equivalent of "tl;dr"

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I really don't think it can be argued that HD remakes are a bad thing. If people have a PS2 and the means to buy the original disc, they can go right ahead and do that. If they want the HD remake, they can do that. The choice ultimately comes down to the consumer. I don't see how its a bad thing for people to have more options.


Alright, here's another perspective, Sony need to make HD remakes because it's list of good exclusives that aren't sequel are less than the measurement of my dick in inches.

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Lots of people didn't have a PS2. Maybe they had and Xbox or a Gamecube, or maybe they ended up selling their PS2 at some point. Maybe their PS2 broke and they didn't see a point in buying a new one at the beginning of a new console generation.

I recently bought the HD remake of Beyond Good and Evil on 360. I couldn't play it on the original Xbox because I'd givin it away to my brother when I got my 360, and the original disc was not compatible with the 360. I'd also given away my gamecube and sold my PS2. Why keep systems I play once a year when I can give them to someone who will play them, or can trade them off to buy more games? For the one or two games I missed, like Beyond Good and Evil, it's great that they are available once more.


See above.

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Regardless, my argument was that it's better to have them than to not have them, from the point of view of the consumer. It's not relevant to the average person why they exist, or what sony's intentions are in making them.

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SmilerAl wrote:
HGW XX/7 wrote:
All I've read in here is "HD Remakes/Selling downloads of generation old games that aren't named Ico is a ripoff only because I say so."


Why don't you say.... have your own opinion? Instead of just showing off your ignorance by posting something the equivalent of "tl;dr"



My opinion? You're being an elitist (par for the course) who thinks only he knows best.

So, only original games (that you approve of) that have no sequels should be eligible for HD remakes? Fine, I hate sequels too, 'cause that makes me cool.

Here's an idea: Maybe there are some sequels that are actually enjoyable and fun? It surely is possible... Though I'm sure that notion will be accepted by you as readily as it would be accepted by a brick wall.

HD Remakes/Downloads of older titles serve essentially no purpose other than trying to make money. I have no problem with companies making money. If I don't want it, I don't have to buy it. Shocking idea, I know.

Boo-fucking-hoo they made another Madden game. It's the end of the world that there's a new Call of Duty. People buy it. They have fun. Whatever.

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HGW XX/7 wrote:
SmilerAl wrote:
HGW XX/7 wrote:
All I've read in here is "HD Remakes/Selling downloads of generation old games that aren't named Ico is a ripoff only because I say so."


Why don't you say.... have your own opinion? Instead of just showing off your ignorance by posting something the equivalent of "tl;dr"



My opinion? You're being an elitist (par for the course) who thinks only he knows best.

So, only original games (that you approve of) that have no sequels should be eligible for HD remakes? Fine, I hate sequels too, 'cause that makes me cool.

Here's an idea: Maybe there are some sequels that are actually enjoyable and fun? It surely is possible... Though I'm sure that notion will be accepted by you as readily as it would be accepted by a brick wall.


And you're just insinuating that games should be approved by me before they should be remade.

Ico and SotC are far rarer and less played than GoW, whilst God of War sequels (and prequels) are being churned out every few years, so fans are constantly being pleased. SotC and Ico however never got the same treatment. And remakes can be a good idea like Secrets of Monkey Island, bearing in mind it was 19 years difference, where the game in terms of graphics is far different than the likes of God of War there were only 4 years difference, not vary long for the graphics to improve (at least on consoles).

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And you're just insinuating that games should be approved by me before they should be remade.

Ico and SotC are far rarer and less played than GoW, whilst God of War sequels (and prequels) are being churned out every few years, so fans are constantly being pleased. SotC and Ico however never got the same treatment. And remakes can be a good idea like Secrets of Monkey Island, bearing in mind it was 19 years difference, where the game in terms of graphics is far different than the likes of God of War there were only 4 years difference, not vary long for the graphics to improve (at least on consoles).


HD Remakes are only made to make money. Why make and HD Remake of God of War? It'll sell. You'll make money.

Why make an HD Remake of Ico and SotC? 'Cause they're rare? No. 'Cause they've reached a cult status and will sell and you'll make money.

Hell, they could release a remake of a game from last year, and if it would sell and make money, more power to them.

Would I love to see HD remakes of Shenmue/Shenmue 2? Fuck yes I would. Do I think it deserves it more than something like God of War? Personally, yes. From a business standpoint? No.

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3. Simple maths here. Lets assume you already own a PS3, seeing as the chioce is GOWC or the original stuff...

Buying "God Of War Collection" for your PS3 = £29.99

Buying a PS2 (cos no early PS2s work, right?), God Of War 1 and God Of War 2 = £59.99 + £19.99 + £19.99 (all preowned) = £99.97


You're assuming people don't own a PS2 but own a PS3, I know tonnes of people with only PS2's. Using a comparison of money without including the £200 for owning the PS3 is just selecting only values that suit your views.

Give me one reason why anyone who doesn't own a PS3 would find themselves torn between the HD remakes and the originals?

Just one. One reason why a non-PS3-owning person would say "Now which one do I buy...?".

Only a fucking moron would pay maximum money when theres a much cheaper option available.

HD remakes are only pointless if you still own the original machine, which it sounds like you still do. So you're obviously gonna be biased.

However, theres plenty of people who never owned a PS2 but now own a PS3, and HD remakes are ideal for those who missed out.

The world of videogames wasn't made just for you, sir. And the moment you get that into your head, the better. :yes:

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